Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By Keith Williams on 3/20/2004 at 8:10 PM
A quick look at the left side of the home page tells something about your link.
WOW
Keith
No more bias! Posted By DELETED USER on 3/20/2004 at 8:14 PM
Always be wary of liberal bias! Believing bias can get your head out of whack.
I think this Clare Foss is a conspiracy theorist, how about you Alan? Wouldn't you agree?
There sure were a lot of assumtions and what ifs in that strange little article!!
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By Alan B. Chace, NY LS on 3/20/2004 at 8:26 PM
First- EVERYTHING has a bias. Can't be otherwise. Get over that much.
Frankly, I'd consider most of the articles posted on that website to be libertarian or anarchist in nature, not liberal. Indeed, many of the the themes, such as opposition to WTO, and opposition to the Federal Reserve System, are strong themes within the U.S. PaleoConservative school of thought.
With regards to the actual story, while not accepting it, I would say it is very plausible. Certainly, a world which no longer accepted an endless stream of U.S. paper dollars in exchange for their goods, thus forcing the U.S. to actually earn foreign currency to pay for their imports (like the rest of the entire world) constitutes at least as grave a threat to our systems as did Saddam's arsenals.
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By Keith Williams on 3/20/2004 at 8:34 PM
And why should we be subjected to posts that are openly anarchist and you in fact are not accepting it.
Something wrong with this picture?
Keith
I see your point Alan, but Posted By DELETED USER on 3/20/2004 at 8:40 PM
What I don't see is what Clare proposes being even remotely feasible. The reason I say that is because the US will continue to dominate the world for the forseeable future for any number of reasons, some of which include our tremendous agriculture production, our status in the world as one of the most desirable places to live, our huge entertainment industry, our freedoms, our hugely efficient manufacturing, our leadership in technology, etc., etc.
The world will most likely have the current monetary system for many more decades, things like that just don't change overnight, because no one really knows how instable the entire world would become if it did.
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By J.W. Glidden on 3/20/2004 at 8:44 PM
cam,
I agree with you however I am hear to tell you things can change overnight. Don't get too upset thought, it will be O.K.
jobo
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By W. J. Appleton on 3/20/2004 at 8:49 PM
When the Euros become considerably more valuable maybe the Euro countries can then pay back the debt they owe the U.S. The hell with it, lets foreclose on them!
W. J. Appleton Posted By Keith Williams on 3/20/2004 at 8:50 PM
Nah, who the heck wants France?
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By Alan B. Chace, NY LS on 3/20/2004 at 9:03 PM
Keith- I subjected you to the link because I thought it was interesting food for thought. The world is full of interesting ideas which have some merit even if you don't accept the whole package of concepts behind them; GIS is a good example, Christianity would be another. I think there is a tendency to label ideas abstractly ("anarchy", "liberalism", "Christianity", etc, etc) and accept or reject ideas based on our notions of these abstract labels, rather than attempting to analyize the ideas themselves. And I imagine that to the extent one does this, they would make one piss-poor anarchist.
Jobo... Posted By DELETED USER on 3/20/2004 at 9:05 PM
My remarks were assuming there weren't major catastrophes. Obviously things CAN change overnight if something terrible happens.
Re: Keith Posted By W. J. Appleton on 3/20/2004 at 9:12 PM
Good point!
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By Mike Falk on 3/20/2004 at 9:31 PM
How west helped Saddam gain power and decimate the Iraqi elite
By Mohamoud A Shaikh
Iraqis have always suspected that the 1963 military coup that set Saddam Husain on the road to absolute power had been masterminded by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). New evidence just published reveals that the agency not only engineered the putsch but also supplied the list of people to be eliminated once power was secured - a monstrous stratagem that led to the decimation of Iraq's professional class.
The overthrow of president Abdul Karim Kassim on February 8, 1963 was not, of course, the first intervention in the region by the agency, but it was the bloodiest - far bloodier than the coup it orchestrated in 1953 to restore the shah of Iran to power. Just how gory, and how deep the CIA's involvement in it, is demonstrated in a new book by Said Aburish, a writer on Arab political affairs.
I guess my only point is that we should at least be careful with what we link and maybe even believe in what the link states or opines. You know as well as me that one can find anything on the net and no telling how reliable or honest the writers are. A link like yours, is clearly in the "yellow journalism" area and serves nothing for legitimate discourse on politics.
I could post links to the communist daily world crap, but what good would that do. If one wants to read it, it is there.
There is enough hate in the world, on the net, on this board and we don't need to further rumors that are unfounded and some one person's wildest dream.
Just some thoughts and an opinion.
Keith
Alan Posted By gregory wood on 3/20/2004 at 10:08 PM
You are aware that the mere word "anarchist" sends chills up Keith's spine?
gw
gregory Posted By Keith Williams on 3/21/2004 at 12:48 AM
For once you are correct.
Keith
From a eurozone point of view Posted By Paul The Irishman on 3/21/2004 at 5:18 AM
the article is morethan plasuible. Many surrounding countries that are not part of the euro now trade in it as a principle currency.
10 new countries are to join the eurozone this year also. Sometimes burying your head in the sand and dismissing any and all possible outcomes is the real unforgiveable sin.
Eurozone POV Posted By Nearly Normal on 3/21/2004 at 6:21 AM
If it wasn't for the military and national security waste, and the nationalistic fantasies of power, right, and might, the US might just find itself behaving like a sane actor on the world's stage.
Buts thats after they get smoothed out on the plane of mediocrity, isn't it?
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By Just A. Surveyor on 3/21/2004 at 8:49 AM
It is my belief that Sadamm could kill every man woman and child in Iraq and the U.S. would turn a blind eye towards him. But you mess with or threaten the money and they will come after you in a hurry. The Euro represents a real and present threat to the U.S. dominance in world affairs. That is one of the main reasons our leaders are letting the dollar to be devalued. Foreign good will cost more and it will cause inflation of the Euro. We will have to wait to see how this plays out.
talk about unforgiveable sin_ "If it wasn't for the..." Posted By DELETED USER on 3/21/2004 at 10:29 AM
...military and national security waste..."
The only reason the world hasn't beat down our door long before now and the Soviet Leaders were not vactioning in Rota & Paris is because of all that Waste.
If it wasn't for what our military has done with next to NOTHING given the mission, 9-11's would be happening on a regular basis.
Re: Saddam's unforgiveable sin? Posted By Helmuth Hack on 3/21/2004 at 1:46 PM
"EUROS FOR OIL" ... more lies from the US democrats and foreign sympathizer of Bin Laden.
In case you haven't heard ... the UN is investigation corruption within their own ranks: including Russia, France and Germany over the Oil for food program in Iraq.